Public sentiment regarding the Israel-Hamas conflict is characterized by deep skepticism and frustration towards both parties. Many commenters express doubts about the sustainability of the ceasefire and criticize both Israeli military actions and Hamas’s conduct. While there is some relief over recent hostage releases, it is overshadowed by fears of ongoing violence and a dire humanitarian situation. Overall, commenters feel disillusioned with the prospects of peace and express a desire for more decisive actions to end the conflict.

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Hamas fighters tightened their grip in Gaza Tuesday (October 14) after carrying out public executions. In one social media video, confirmed as authentic by a Hamas source, seven men were forced to their knees and shot from behind. Rachel Judah's report contains graphic images from the very start.

Source: [Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/video/watch/idRW360514102025RP1/)

thebelsnickle1991

After 2 years, I've learnt not to trust any news that supports israeli narrative. They always bend the truth.

I'll wait till the truth is revealed.

GrImPiL_Sama

Go back in and finish the job.  Hamas must be exterminated.

HamasKillsGazans

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I posted an explanation, and it was removed, and I'm pretty sure others have as well.  

There is plenty of info on who the executed people are for those who want to know.

Shinnobiwan

kotwica42

Thank god Israel is gone and the kinder gentler Hamas is back.

Responsible_Ad_7995

I notice hamas and IDF and ICE looking very similar

TheGreatestKaTet

I can’t believe some people are actually supporting public executions to spread fear, no matter the crime they did. We’re supposed to be past the "heads on spikes" era, this isn’t the Middle Ages

PeaDependent8345

oh finally the Peaceful Palestine we the west supported is here

StreamLife9

The pro Palestine protested will be out in the streets about this any minute now…any minute…surely…

Adorable-Ad-7400

Huh, what are the chances that the “solution to peace” just so happens to line up with Israel’s existing goals…

Aidsandabbets

yourchemtrailpilot

trythinkingbatder

We will have to see why exactly these people Were executed. There's bound to be Israeli propaganda mixed into this.

ThegreatKhan666

Ah yes, the main armed group in the area reestablishing their control over the populace is what threatens it, not Israel blatantly breaking it by shooting people and halving the aid they agreed to let pass

The_New_Replacement

The ground on the 'vid' looks unusually 'clean' and level for a place that's been bombed for 2 years...AI?

No_Subject2714

Hezbollah has been decimated. Iran's nuclear capability has been pushed back. Hamas has been largely dismantled, if not completely.

I would say this is an unequivocal win for Israel. The only loss is the Initifada propaganda that has seemingly convinced an entire generation that Jews love to genocide brown people.

That may yet prove the larger L than all those W's combined. Shame on all you kids for falling for that nonsense.

Prestigious_Load1699

GallopingGobshite

When did this become the Israeli propaganda subreddit? Last time I checked, the Israelis were the ones invading a country that doesn't actually belong to them.

7-11-is-an-Insidejob

Given all that has been agreed is a high level ‘framework’ with zero details, no idea what you’re on about. 

Hamas is the walking dead, they won’t exist in near future as they are toxic.

Netanyahu equally is walking dead, his government will fall as soon as a workable and sustainable ceasefire exists. Israelis want him out of power and arrested.

FingalForever

Youre missing the point. Israel is the problem and is actively committing a genocide and has invalidated every ceasefire agreement to date.

TelephoneChemical230

Ugghh, another historical illiterate. The conflict started in 1936 (in 1920s if you count initial armed clashes, 1936 is beginning of full scale revolt). The reasons for it were present since end of WW1. Where it became specifically about Israel as entity is in 1948 with Arab-Israeli war. Hamas was first created in 1987, 4 decades later. It gained power only in 2006. Meaning Hamas doesn't exists even for half of this conflict and is in power for maybe a fifth of that time (notably getting there with Israeli support). So if we are talking about who started it, Hamas literally didn't exist when it did start - Israel did though. If we look into details of the history there, it's clear that Hamas is a reactionary group, reacting to Israel's treatment of Palestinians. It's monster sure, but a monster they created (and which is incomparably weaker then them btw).

In the meantime, there were numerous attempts for peaceful resolution. Vast majority of them failed due to Israel acting in bad faith, and vast majority of the Palestinian aggression was provoked by the Israeli treatment of their people. Best example of this is the case of Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Rabin, who was first prime minister actually born in the region. He actually was interested in peaceful resolution and due to his fair approach Oslo accords were signed. What happened next? He was assassinated by ISRAELI law student and rabid zionist. Zionist groups from time to time still attempt to have him freed. So much for Israel's desire to have peace,  they literally rather assassinated their own prime minister than to have that happen. 

All this is matter of historical record and isn't disputed by any credible historian. Israel doesn't want to get rid of Hamás, they want Hamas because Palestinians are to them ironically enough what Jews were to Nazis - an enemy within to keep the population scared and in line, and Hamas is convenient for them due to the terrible PR they cause Palestinians globally, and in effect makes it more easy to justify the Palestinian oppression on global stage. It's convenient scapegoat, and Israel wanted them to be in power.

To top it off, anyone who knows at least a little bit what they're talking about, most prominently International court of Justice agree that what Israel is doing is ethnic cleansing bordering on genocide, that Netanyahu is responsible for crimes against humanity and that Israel done number of war crimes and crimes against civilian population which if done by any other country would make us all on board with bombing them to cinders. Literally there's less justification for Afghanistan or Serbia then there is for shutting down what Israel is doing, and both Afghanistan and Serbia were quite bad to begin with.

So I'm sorry to say, but anyone still justifying or looking positively on what Israel is doing right now and not being on the side of Palestinian people (not Hamas) should urgently get their head out of their ass, because what they're doing is in the same category of Holocaust denial/support and yes, it's disgusting. The whole discourse surrounding Palestine made me aware just how many people even in my own country which suffered under Nazi occupation are one charismatic politician away from becoming a full blown SS fanboys.

The comparison with Nazis is highly fitting, since zionists are ultranationalist movement promoting ethnic purity and proclaiming need to get rid of undesirables from lands which they wish to settle with their people originating in same period of history where Nazism did. All this is not just my view, number of prominent Jewish figures including holocaust survivors spoke against what Israel is  doing. 

Here is video of Stephen Kapos, a holocaust survivor from Hungary calling it a genocide: https://youtu.be/F3xuIdVjtiI?si=14OpjNJLmfCD-YYr

Independent_Sock5198

Part of the deal (the next phases that hamas didn't fully agree to yet), is to completely disarm hamas, make sure they are not in power, and blocking any smuggling and making a disarmed gaza with outside control.

Agreeing to the deal by definition blocks the palestinian side from restarting the war, I doubt they'll really agree to it but I also doubted they would release all living hostages so who knows, hopefully hamas agrees and the war ends.

JustSomeCells

Yes that is how a peace process works.

You use force to commit violence to force the other side into a position.

A peace process on the other hand assumes good will, or some other incentive structure (say, 3rd party funds). Peace has been negotiated before, it's possible.

Junglebook3

It's hard to imagine Israel agreeing to a deal that could be enforced by a third party.

This is less of a deal, more of a break between rounds. Nothing is resolved and there is no realistic endgame in sight.

2 state solution is dead and the Palestine has been practically erased. Israel has no legal plan as to what do with the 5m inhabitants it has now inherited. The conflict will continue.

smegabass

There is a solution to this problem with many historical examples. It's called a surrender.

The biggest issue is Hamas refuses to disarm and instead promises to commit terrorist attacks like Oct 7th again and again.

The-Last-Lion-Turtle

That's true. Just like the previous ceasefires, the genocide might reignite again

Able_Swing_2495

Imagine thinking this conflict is resolved.

SurprisedAsparagus

Id Hardly called it resolved more like paused.

Turtusking

I would like to see Reddit community celebrate this achievement as much as they would if it were a Dem administration.  Truly pathetic and just shows how morally bankrupt this whole platform is.

Friendly_Fokks-given

The hostages are NOT home. The bodies of 24 hostages who were killed and/or died in captivity were not returned because HAMAS “lost” them.

21PenSalute

People are celebrating this way too prematurely all because Trump wanted a win

Lonely-Abalone-5104

This morally void vendetta never ends it just waxes and wanes.  the Israelis call it "mowing the grass", even now and then they have to beat the Palestinians down.

Glad_Association_312

I think people will be more hopeful in a few weeks if this deal holds. We've seen many ceasefires fail in this conflict so far. Gaza is not really a united entity at this point, so isolated Hamas cells could very well use this as an opportunity to attack. The IDF also seems ready to return to full scale invasion at the slightest sign of any resistance.

There have also been 2 years of folks on the pro-Israel side talking about the complete elimination of Gaza with jokes about real estate deals and open mockery of the suffering. That didn't just disappear. On top of that, the end goal of this deal seems to be a return to the 2023 status quo, which is what led to the current conflict.

I'm hopeful that this works out, but you can't just pretend that we didn't have 2 years of rhetoric just didn't happen and I see nothing in this deal that has any kind of long term solution to the overall conflict.

EDIT: Some of the comments are just insane. I don't know how anybody could take this as some kind of pro Hamas comment. This isn't a fairytale. There aren't good guys and bad guys. Anybody who thinks either side in this was 100% justified needs professional help.

EssenceOfLlama81

I want to know what Trump did to get to the ceasefire. He demanded for it to stop, so it’s stopped????…

Own-Knowledge8281

What do you mean when you say Hamas has nothing to gain by attacking? They are now in the same position they and other resistance groups were in when they attacked before, but presumably now much angrier 

TheVioletBarry

There will never, ever be EVERLASTING peace in the middle East. Not when the hatred goes back centuries.  To think otherwise is delusional.

Better-Tough6874

Imagine you return home - half your extended family dead and your childhood neighbourhood blown to pieces - “but we good now right?”

This hate and violence will only beget more hate and violence, internationally I doubt forgiveness for these atrocities will be forthcoming

If Bibi is tried / convicted and Israel proceeds with reparations and genuine efforts to rebuild itself in the name of peace I could see a recovery of their reputation in future - at least amongst other colonizer nations and those already sympathetic / not personally affected

I have a feeling even that will fall short for those who suffered direct losses - eg a coworker of mine that is now several aunts, uncles and cousins lighter with no way of knowing what happened to them - and an even greater feeling that such accountability and peace isn’t on Israel’s radar

Imagine a younger Trump drumming up a war to justify postponing the vote, to avoid the prosecution that would likely follow if he should fall out of power, now imagine the kind of deal and assurances he’d need to allow any brokering of peace in that war…

Whatever Bibi has in mind here, you can be sure the intention isn’t to save Israeli lives or interests, and positive that he considers the job half done where Palestinians are concerned

I’m very worried for those returning, no doubt their situation was dire if moving back into ruins is their best option - but it wouldn’t be the first time Israel organized a mass migration just to line their targets up - baiting them with aid or promises of safety only to bombard the zones they’re directed to is undeniably part of the IDF MO at this point

This warfare has also done nothing for the racial hate, which while not shared amongst the whole population, has been government funded for decades and successful at indoctrinating many, who now also have experience dehumanizing, murdering, and treating these “mongrels” as inhumanely as possible

It’s far more likely that Trump’s incompetent government is complicit in a new stage of war crimes that has yet to drop, when you consider the alternative is convincing Bibi to turn on his personal interests and endanger himself lol

Bibi hold all the cards in this situation, you have to understand the relative strength of Hamas vs Israel in Gaza lol, he’s proven more than capable of playing with his food (and theirs)

greatfullness

People with long memories are unsurprisingly a bit sceptical.

Permaculture_hings

OP you sound like the people who think this began on October 7th

haymaker1776

Barack Obama is not a good name to evoke when it comes to peace in the middle east tbh. 

Israel violated this ceasefire 2hrs into it. They violated every ceasefire with their other neighbors in 2024 and 2025 as well. We have a rudimentary enough understanding of history to understand that colonial projects do not just stop because a treaty was signed (I'm assuming you're American, you should have that same understanding). 

For the Palestinians this ceasefire is some of the best news they've had in years. They deserve some reprieve. For us in the West? This is not *the* win. This is just step 1. The architects and contributors of this genocide still need to be held accountable, but our president is already calling for amnesty for the chiefly responsible person, Netanyahu. The Palestinians in the West Bank were actively being attacked by settlers during this ceasefire which only were more emboldened by the genocide and openly supported by the govt. 

The struggle for Palestinian liberation is not over until they are actually liberated. Us in the West have no cause for celebration unless you have family there no longer being bombed

_b3rtooo_

I disagree with you that most people are too negative about the war ending. Every regular person (in real life) that I’ve talked to about it is either cautiously happy, or if they were more pro Israel very happy that the hostages have been returned. 

What you are actually seeing is the massive bot/activist networks that used this issue to divide Americans grasping at straws for why we should still be negative. https://www.piratewires.com/p/the-terrorist-propaganda-to-reddit-pipeline

LowSomewhere8550

They’re already arguing about returning bodies. 

It’s just so ridiculously naive to think peace in the Middle East is going to be that easy.

throwaway04182023

If people think genocide was the plan, then they might ne pessimistic that this is the end of the conflict. The long history of the conflict could also indicate its more of a pause than an end. I do mostly agree with you though

Acrobatic-Skill6350

&gt;Gazans are in control of their streets for the first time in 2 years.

Correction. Hamas is.

&gt;All I'm seeing in the comments though is negativity and people expecting this not to last, musing about when it will break.

History suggests that's basically a guarntee.

&gt;Hamas has nothing to gain by attacking.

What has Hamas ever gained from attacking?

&gt;But people seem to be reluctant to consider that this could be the start of peace.

Again, nothing in history, or really the comments of Israeli or Hamas leadership suggests this will last.

I would even argue as Hamas currently hunts down Palestinian "collaborators" their oppressive hold over Gaza is exponentially strengthened. No one caring about those Palestinians tells any potential resistance to Hamas that resisting is futile. They will be abandoned by the world and killed immediately without issue and if anything it will only help Hamas. They have a better chance of survival hiding from IDF bombs than freeing themselves from Hamas control.

Add the fact that Hamas still sees Oct. 7 and all the civilian deaths as a win and part of the plan, and I don't see how you can even begin to wonder if this will lead to lasting peace.

letstrythisagain30

People don't think it will last because it *never* lasts.  At various levels, this has been going on for *decades*.

AgentWD409

It’s insane to me that people are discussing all of this without any reference to giving Palestinians their rights and continuing the status quo where they continue to live under occupation, blockade and continue to build illegal settlements and lose their homes. 

I’m glad hostages are back to their families, and I’m glad the killing stopped and I hope it continues, but no one seems to even care what life awaits the Palestinians going forward. Everyone is talking about how it affects Israel, as if Palestinians are just nothing

hijazist

The problem for me, is not that palestine is of course the clear loser, but that Israel wont be held accountable for clear, multiple, well documented cases of massive transgressions of international law and human rights. Humaniarian aid for civilians has somehow slippery sloped into becoming a bargaining chip?
Unprecedented killings of civilians, journalists (!!), using starvation as a weapon, intentionally targeting hospitals etc etc.
In this Wave of relief we seem to be a bit lax about the sheer horror we have been witnessing for the last two years.
The IDF basically got to barbarically rampage for two years in the worst way possible, now they get to say "we won" and everyone is supposed to just be fine with it.
You wouldn't believe how this discussion is conducted here in Germany. Baffling how the crimes against humanity are being down played.
Apart from the injustice of it all, is this the standard we are holding our supposed allies to? Then I don't want to see what to expect from our enemies.
If Israel and Netanyahu are not held accountable, international law will be even more irreparably damaged than it already is. I'm happy that the killing stopped, but If we pretend like nothing happened, that is unacceptable.

Scorch6

People aren't negative on a peace deal and the hostage being free, they are negative on Trump declaring 3000 years of conflict over and that he solved the war. 

brendamn

The fighting haven't stopped. The civilians have just swapped to one terror from another. Hamas has already resurged, purging the already traumatised population with summary executions. Strutting about with weapons flashing.

Until hamas and other terror organisations are removed the plight of the palistinian people in gaza is far from over.

Remember that hamas has already firmly stated that they will not disarm. And until they do then this will not end and Israel will never agree to a two state  solution with hamas or any other jihadi group in power.

Once Hamas calls trumps bluff then Israel will just go at it again.

orgin_org

Nothing will last until 2 things happen:

1) The West accepts the reality that most Palestinians (and most neighboring Arabs) view Israel as an occupying force simply by *existing*. When they say Israel is occupying and must be resisted - they do not mean West Bank / Gaza. This is evidenced consistently in polls, statements, and actions over the past 90 years. 

2) Global pressure (led by the West) alters the education of Palestinian youth to not learn to hate Israel and yearn to 'take back' all of Palestine or even only Jerusalem. This will take decades even when done properly.

Only then will there be a chance at long term stability.

P.S. - yes we all know some Israelis want to take over more of the West Bank, but that percentage is like 10-15% (whereas about 70-80% of Palestinians want to take back all the land). Most Israelis just want to be left alone and would gladly accept peace vs. territorial expansion.

ZeApelido

One side is both colonizers and terrorists, quite literally. Quoting barrack is also audacious. I think you're kinda right though. Israel is imploding so they probably can't keep up the relentless attacks too much longer.

major_jazza

It's just very hard to rustle up much joy over the end of a massive cataclysmic catastrophe that represents a failure of everyone with power, even if you think it's a decisive turning point. It doesn't mean it's not a big deal. I don't know that I can change your view - you feel the way you feel and but even if I were to agree with you on every point of fact I may feel much less happy because the whole thing is just too shameful.

pyrola_asarifolia

I am worried for three reasons.

1. Isreal has violated dozens of ceasefires over the years. Why would they stick to this one?

2. If they do violate it, it is entirely unbelievable to me that the international community will significantly sanction them, leading me to wonder what their incentive not to do so is.

3. A genocide has taken place and it seems to me clear that the perpetrators are going to get off scot free. Until I see every perpetrator and every IDF commander in Nuremberg-style trials with Nuremburg-style sentences, I will doubt very much the international community and Isreal's commitment to peace. At the moment it's as if WWII ended and Hitler is still in power, offering to help out the Jews a bit.

thebusconductorhines

You must be too young to know that these ceasefire have been happening intermittently for forty years. 

Israel usually orchestrates some narrative about Hamas violating the ceasefire and resumes obliteration. 

All you need to do now is look at much of Gaza Israel has already cleared out to know they’re almost done and can turn it into a Special Economic Zone so the corporations most closely affiliated with the US and Israeli administrations can funnel taxpayer money into their coffers.

SomeTimeBeforeNever

We've seen this show before.  These agreements are made often and don't last.  In fact, a few years ago three leaders shared a Nobel Peach Price for such a temporary agreement.

icnoevil

Israel bombed Palestine 5 hours after the peace deal was agreed and then claimed it was starting after the attack.

Obvious-Street-8979

"The horrors of the October 7, 2023, attack on Israel and the conflict they reignited have resulted in unbearable human loss," (Bill) Clinton wrote. "It has been hard to watch and nearly impossible to rationalize."

"I’m grateful that a ceasefire has taken hold, that the last 20 hostages have been freed, and that desperately needed aid has begun to flow into Gaza," he continued. "President Trump and his administration, Qatar, and other regional actors deserve great credit for keeping everyone engaged until the agreement was reached."

Black_blade419

Well, I agree with you. In the spirit of the sub though:

Hamas representatives are currently say they don’t want to disarm, don’t want Hamas soldiers to leave the government body (they want them to be integrated as soldier or police), and they don’t want an international theocracy in place. 

There is a lot of phase two that is yet to be agreed on from the Hamas side. They are killing IDF collaborators this week. They are also dressing in police uniforms this week which they haven’t during the course of the war (usually in civilian clothing). Probably as a statement of intention to be involved. 

On the other side Trump is already building the theocracy and has had offers from wealthy Arab nations to have a seat at the table. There is a part of the deal going ahead without Hamas recognition. But they no longer have bargaining chips since they have released the 20 live hostages. They are currently withholding the bodies of some of the dead hostages in violation of their agreement. 

There is a ceasefire. But there is also details that are not hammered out. 

Trump made it seem that Hamas accepted the entire 20 point peace plan as a bluff. But the reality is Hamas is in checkmate but still not going down willingly. They do have amnesty if they give up. I believe they still have some 7,000 soldiers. 

Largely speaking there is going to be peace as Trump and other countries pretty much ignore Hamas and act as if the entire deal is on. Hamas is still convinced they can remain and will likely try to sway opinion that way and stoke the fires of protest around the world as long as they can. Some skirmishes may result. 

But largely it is a done deal with Israel agreeing not to annex any Palestinian territory which was the main concern. Those who were fearful of ethnic cleansing are cautiously optimistic. 

Israelis believe that Palestinians lost their chance at a state because of the October 7th attack, which was largely done in areas of people who recognized the Palestinian cause the most. They believe that war is just kicked down the road 5, 10, 20 years. 

Hamas currently does not want to decommission weapons but hand over to Palestinian state with their fighters in Palestinian army or police. But they agree to a proposition of five to ten years of ceasefire. 

Prior to the war the intent of the Palestinian side was overwhelmingly to retake all of Israel. They have seen overwhelming support from the world for this. About 50% of their population is under 18. It is very possible that the conflict continues. And Israelis become less inclined to tolerate further insurrections. 

There is the opportunity for a lasting ceasefire of 5-10 years. But the likelihood as well would just continue. Israel has also been known to preemptively strike in conflicts in a region that pools its resources aligned against them. And they also do want to completely finish Hamas, one of their war aims which they think hasn’t completely finished. 

Another part of the peace plan is destroying the terror tunnel infrastructure underneath the city. Which can meet its own resistance of non compliance like has happened before. 

Largely there is the prospect of peace. But also the sense that in a few years time the conflict will return as usual. People on Reddit are largely pro Palestine. And do not recognize that it is the Palestinian people largely instigating. Therefore the sentiment is that Israel will break the peace. Yes they have unfinished business with Hamas. But they also value relations with the US. And other trade partners in the region. So I think if Hamas doesn’t surrender they can strike. But if they do they likely won’t.

AstronautSouthern344

Keep in mind, Arabs have been massacreing local Jews in Israel for centuries. October 7 was not the first time. It has been happening since well before Israel was founded in 1948.

And now there is news that Hamas has breached the deal by refusing to return all of the bodies to Israel.

apndrew

"Hamas has nothing to gain by attacking."

They never have. Every step along their path over the last 50 years has just led them to more suffering. Somehow they convinced the ill-informed that they are victims, when they have been the instigators of their own problems for my entire life.

  
As for how long it will last, not as long as one would expect. The people that live there hate people because of their race. They want nothing less than to kill all of them. They will sneak into some child's room to kidnap and torture again soon.

JoJoTheDogFace

This is exactly what you all said last time and Isreal ended up breaking the ceasefire anyways

Amazing_Button_9328

Yeah it's good that the fighting stopped. For now.  

But this "deal" massively favored Israel. As always. 

It's just putting a cork in the bottle. But it's too easy to shake the bottle. 

Until everyone agrees to a 2 state solution it will never end and any "peace" deal will be temporary.

Gibscreen

What do you mean "people"?

It's usually best to provide links where possible to specific statements and specific people. Because we can't fight for or against a nebulous "people". If you provide specific examples of people saying X or Y, we can either support, explain or criticise it - or say "it's a minority". So I will provide a specific and provide an example;

One news source I watch called Novara Media is pretty lefty, and had numerous things to say on it;

* [Israeli And Palestinian Captives Released, Trump Meets Leaders in Egypt | #NovaraLIVE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHTSm6--YW8)
* [Why You’ve Been Misled About “Israeli Hostages” and “Palestinian Prisoners”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sB-AIcI-6U)
* [Israel Accuses Hamas Of Breaking Ceasefire, Kills Multiple Palestinians | #novaralive](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izHM3_6GeAU)

Some key points I remember from their coverage contradicts some of what you have said;

&gt;Aid is flowing across the Rafah crossing

The aide, at least as of their first recent video, was not "flowing" - it was still being stymied. A major organisation, [UNWRA](https://www.unrwa.org/) was still being denied access.

Similarly - the IDF committed a lot of arson before they left.

Similarly - the pulling out of the IDF without the establishment of any group to keep control has left a power vacuum that is being filled by multiple militias - both pro and anti Israel aligned.

These criticisms of Israel and the peace deal seem pretty reasonable to me. But at the same time there is stuff worthy of praise and hope - which their coverage showed. I don't think their coverage is perfect - like most news I think they beat the drums of *doom and gloom* because that is what gets attention. But it seems to me like they are highlighting real issues. Is doing that "too negative"?

If you don't know about Novara Media then we can talk about another specific person or group whose statements you want to discuss - but discussing what "people in general" are saying is a dead end because "people in general" are saying a lot of things.

wibbly-water

I am really glad that Gazans are no longer suffering as horribly as they have been. I hope they can now get the healthcare, food, water, and housing they need.

I’m personally pretty negative because it shouldn’t have taken this for aid to be allowed in. That should never have been blocked in the first place. Beyond whatever (lack of) trust I have that Israel will hold to the ceasefire, I’m looking at the decades of history of the aid restrictions on Gaza. Beyond the human rights issues, this isn’t how you treat people you intend on maintaining a peaceful relationship with. 

I believe that the agreed line will de facto become the new border between Israel and Gaza, whether they officially annex it or do as they are in the West Bank - establish a government-subsidised settlement and lock the Palestinians out. 

There’s also a population of two million people (hopefully the larger casualty estimates are overstated!) with severe trauma and PTSD, and solid reason to hate Israel for what they’ve done. Whatever people may say about Hamas having no motive for further conflict, there have got to be thousands of traumatised orphans with nothing much to live for, and that’s a ripe field to harvest terrorists from.

CheesecakeUnhappy677

I just don’t see Hamas cooperating with Trump after he’s openly said he’s going to forcefully remove them and making all the cringe ai about turning Gaza into a resort. Hamas gained power through the west gaming Palestinian leadership and misleading them since the 20’s while Zionists pushed for more and more land while Palestine was seeking help and answers internationally, Hamas is the result of that anger and frustration of inaction and manipulation. 

I think it could be done, but Trump is going to have to bend over ass backwards to beg and beg and beg for Hamas to buy into anything he says, especially given their power comes from doing the exact opposite of trusting outside powers to help. 

Trump has just said too much about what his plans are, and I honestly think they’re more likely to kill him for even using their pain for his political gain and the lololols. Hamas is too damn cynical of the west and Israel for anything long term if it’s not genuine and it doesn’t cripple Israel in the process. 

Gotta remember, Clinton got the closest most recently with Hamas and Netanyahu in the talks; and the leader of Hamas said he can’t sign any deal that leaves Israel any power or Hamas will kill him (according to Clinton) and Hamas says Israel pulled away, and Israel says Hamas pulled away, and Netanyahu has been vocal the entire time of his goal of Palestine not even existing. I don’t see Trump making that better, again, especially with what he’s already said and “memed” about. 

I don’t think Netanyahu is capable of compromising with Palestine, and Hamas is a violent reactionary government to that violence. We need more to change first

RebelliousSoup

Hamas has every reason to keep attacking. 


1) as you say in the immediate point, if Israel attacks (even if it's a counter attack), Israel will likely be condemned, which is in Hamas interest. 


2) who controls Gaza going forward is going to be messy. Will a third party step in? Will the PA step in? Will Hamas remain in control? Will other local parties attempt to gain control? The idea that violence in Gaza is over is short-sighted if only because fighting within Gaza is inevitable until one of these groups dominates the rest. 


3) given that 2 is inevitable, it spilling into Israel is inevitable, either by accident or by collateral damage (if not intentionally so). So inevitably, an Israeli citizen will be killed - at which point who knows what will happen. 


Also, Israel hasn't said it would stop either.


Lots of people have told Bibi to stop. He hasn't said that he would. He has said that he will continue operations in Gaza. Not the whole scale war, but still non-zero intervention. So, there's that. 


It's good that the hostages were released. It is good to stop fighting for one day. Even better if it lasts a week. But there are lots of reasons to believe that this cannot last long term. 

TemperatureThese7909

Excuse me for not believing Israel, who has broken several ceasefire agreements before. And on top of that, has bombed other countries in the midst of this "war". 


Sorry for being a little skeptical after the thousands of times they've said the hostages have been released and went right back to bombing Gaza. 


Oh and just because they said a ceasefire has been initiated, doesn't mean they'll pull their troops out of Gaza. 

Influence_Vivid

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Youngsweppy

First, Hamas is still in power and they are evil. They are bad for any hope of actual peace with Israel. They are bad for the people living in gaza. The past two days have seen multiple reports that they are going around Gaza and executing any potential rivals for power. Not only are they executing them but they are executing them on live stream video and parading around the dead bodies. They are looking to control Gaza through a mix of power and fear.  In the past, their control has meant that money and supplies sent into Gaza to help the people living there ended up controlled by the terrorist group and were used for weapons, bunkers, and tunnels. Hamas (or whatever rebrand they go with) in control of Gaza will not get anyone to a brighter future.

Second, the agreement was that all of the kidnapped people would be returned, both dead and alive. So far the living people have been released but of the dead, only 7 of the 28 have been released. We initially thought it was 8 bodies released but after forensic identification, one of the four handed over last night is an unknown Gazan. That is not boding well for Hamas holding up its end of the agreement.

sar662

No one should ever be forced to negotiate the end of their genocide. The world should’ve put sanctions on Israel and supported the icc in their arrest of bibi

phbalancedshorty

People are still holding Israel in contempt, even for things they aren't doing.


People outside of Palestine are cheering on Hamas going after Palestinians who oppose(d) Hamas.


If people outside of Palestine are that invested in keeping the conflict going and Hamas propped up, then that's all this is; a cease fire, until Hamas (or Israel) attacks again.


Although a reprieve for civilians is likely welcome (as long as Hamas doesn't execute them).

BugRevolution

There are many reasons to be cautious about the ceasefire and peace agreement:
1. Israel continued bombing and attacking Gazans after the ceasefire was signed and ratified by the Knesset. 
2. Israeli backed militia murdered a journalist after the ceasefire. While those who did the killing were executed by security forces, they were not the only ones and Israel had been using them as Hamas false flags when it has been convenient to do so such as raiding aid trucks. Why would they stop using them now? They could be used as a proxy to continue attacks on Gazans or to start another conflict with Hamas. Or to fire rockets at Israel to make it seem like Hamas is breaking the ceasefire. 
3. After the ceasefire and before the hostages were released, DM Israel Catz stated the plan is to explode all the tunnels in Gaza. This would likely raze the entire city. And all the surrounding areas
4. Israel has broken every single agreement that they have had with the Palestinians and with any other country that they have had agreements with. Given this track record, it would be foolish in the extreme to take them at their word. 
5. There is nothing left of Gaza City and Northern Gaza. Nothing. Nothing but dust. While many are relieved. Most are incredibly heartbroken and traumatized. I'm not even speaking of Palestinians on the ground. I'm speaking of Palestinians in the diaspora, allies, friends, colleagues. I think it's totally normal for people to be taking this moment not to celebrate, but just to breathe. And in that time a lot of anger and grief and loss that they have not been able to process will likely come up. So, I think it is unhelpful to look at people's reactions to this ceasefire right now as being too negative or pessimistic. It literally just happened. Figure out what it means for you and how you want to move forward. I think a range of emotions is absolutely to be expected in this situation.

meeeemster

It seems pretty obvious to me that Israel simply wants land and will always find reasons to kill and take more territory. It's insane that people don't see this happening. The settlers never really stopped killing, torturing, and stealing homes from Palestinians, so no one should expect Hamas to stop attacking anytime soon.

People call Hamas terrorists, but to me, it's clear they are just enraged that their homes and lives have been stolen from them since 1948. Think about it—they have nothing left to lose.

This conflict won't end until Israel eventually wipes all Palestinians off the map. Hamas is, at best, an armed militia, while Israel is a military power with unbelievable internet surveillance that shuts down any and all criticism. They pour money into governments; mayors and even lower-level Western politicians are paid to speak for them, all while being supported by billionaires worldwide.

It's only a matter of hours before the destruction begins again, if it ever stopped at all. What's worse, soon you could be jailed for saying anything negative about Israel.

Stomach_Brilliant

On one hand I agree with you.  The hostages were always a non-negotiable position and I’m not sure why the world felt it was reasonable to demand that Israel stop the war without retrieving their hostages.  It was never going to happen. 

But now the hostages have been returned, so peace is actually possible.  

The hostages though were a necessary condition, not a sufficient condition.  Two atrocities happened on October 7th:

A)over a thousands Israelis were killed

B) 250 hostages were taken
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The second issue has been resolved, but the first issue has potentially not been resolved.  The later stages of the agreement call for Hamas to disarm and relinquish power.  Unfortunately, Hamas has already declared that they have no intention of doing so.  

As a result, it is reasonable for people to believe that the war will start up again.  Netanyahu absolutely has no problems with the war continuing, so if Hamas gives him an excuse he will take it.  And it does appear that Hamas is setting up to give him that excuse.

Knave7575

Negativity sells. Especially to a certain crowd who desperately needs the Palestinian struggle as some sort of compass in their life (suddenly)

LowRevolution6175

Two things can be true. I can both think the ceasefire is rad AND that wee dick Donnie is a moron and not deserving of praise for stopping it.

schyzwytz

People are rightfully negative about that ceasefire. All it did was give HAMAS another lesson that capturing hostages is a valid tool against Israel, and whatever brutality they commit, they'll be shielded from consequences. They got 2000 of their prisoners IIRC for a couple dozen Israeli hostages. They will continue receiving foreign aid. Those responsible for the hostage-taking will not face any consequences, including a JDAM of justice right on their head, because the world will then scream about the ceasefire being broken by Israel. All this ceasefire does is prepare another, even more brutal Oct 7. All this ceasefire does is buy time for Israeli civilians to GTFO or get their country to treat HAMAS as a threat it is. Given Israel's track record in letting HAMAS do literally anything to its citizens for the sake of appeasing the global public, its wakeup is unlikely despite all the suffering inflicted on Israel by HAMAS and those who payroll it from Iran and beyond.

that_one_Kirov

The war criminal must be brought to the courts. The Zionist regime must be deradicalised and atleast regime change in israel.

Lost-Letterhead-6615

&gt; Hamas has nothing to gain by attacking.

They have dead Israelis to gain. The rest I agree with.

I3arusu

Israel wants full demilitarization of Hamas. Hamas has stated they will never hand over weapons unless it is to a Palestinian run government with the ability to protect itself. Israel will never allow a Palestinian run government with the ability to protect itself. 
Knowing this, the “demilitarized zone” can actually be viewed as just further Israeli colonization, as that land will never be returned to the Palestinians.

Don’t get me wrong. I am happy for the ceasefire and the reprieve for the Palestinian people. But both side have previously stated red lines, that the other side will require crossing. As Palestine has no power in this situation, they will resort to individual violent acts. This will give Israel a reason to continue to the war and further ethnic cleansing. 

There is very little hope given the powers running the situation and their obvious goals.

jpotion88

Basically any comment that is skeptical is upset the war is over. Their grift only worked while theres an active war.

AdAffectionate7090

I agree with you to a point. Just because it was President Trump's agreement, love him or hate him is no reason to throw salt on the peace treaty. Enough on that subject.


If you look at the history of the region it's understandable why ppl are saying this is going to fail. Which in my mind is only more reason for us all to pray/meditate to what ever god or power's you believe in that it doesn't fail. (I do believe there's an untapped power in us, that allows us to change certain outcomes through group/mass prayer and meditation, irrespective of any specific deity.)


One huge area of concern though and I think it's justified, is several of the ppl Israel released are truly monsters. I don't see them stopping just because there's papers signed. With that being said, it's not going to stop me from hoping and praying it is a success!

Whiskey-Juliet

Based on the deal the people of Palestine are still not free, and still being governed by other who are not themselves. I'll admit its a relief to hear the blood thirsty IDFs innocent killing of civilians especially children may take a pause (hopefully for good) but the fear will be the cres of this genocide that we are going to uncover. Many of us who were aware of what Israel was going to do after October 7th because prior to it mowing the law as they would say was totally fine and was not well covered by the mainstream media nor the illegal siege they were under.

All in all time will tell, but there is nothing good to feel for humanity to have allowed another genocide to happen. The unimaginable pain and suffering the people have gone through will have future consequences sadly we have her to see unfold.

thedecadentcookie

We've seen this before is the answer. It never stops. Any ceasing of the hostilities is a pretext for waiting until they can find another reason to open up the killing again.


"Any ceasefire deal reached would be temporary, the prime minister said. If Hamas were to say they would release more hostages, "we'll take them, and then we'll go in. But there will be no way we will stop the war," Netanyahu said. "We can make a ceasefire for a certain period of time, but we're going to the end.""


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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/netanyahu-says-no-way-israel-ends-gaza-war-until-hamas-is-defeated

Beautiful-Loss7663

&gt;Hamas has nothing to gain by attacking.

This is the problem. They don't have to gain anything; yet they will attack anyway.

Judaism teaches that the end of days will not come until the temple is rebuilt - but that would mean having to destroy the Muslim site "Dome of the rock".

Islam teaches that judgement day will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Muslims kill them - and that Muslims must fight to regain any land that is taken from them by force.

So, both sides have beliefs that require them to subdue the other. Instead of wanting the day of judgement to come about, it would be nice if both parties realised that not ending the world is actually the better option.

They have a ceasefire, not peace - I am not sure if they will ever have peace whilst there is religion.

MrPeterMorris

&gt;...they can no longer use the hostages as justification and the whole world will hold them in contempt.

nobody ever bought that bullshit and the world holds them in contempt already.

what makes me negative is not hearing about *any* reasonable path forward in terms of the sovereignty or the safety of the palestinian people. and the person placed in the position of honor in that regard (the president) is the guy that spoke seriously about building resorts on the graves of palestinians in gaza and is currently making war on his own people (along with an extraordinary list of egregious and vile activities that include felony fraud convictions and rape.)

&gt;The audacity of hope!

provide me with the audacity of a plan and we'll go from there...

TheRoadsMustRoll

Everyone keep saying "Free Palestine" this or "Free Palestine" that...

Where can I get my own Palestine

CommanderAndrei

3 major points

1. You wrote that Gazans are in control of the streets. No, Hamas is in control of the streets. That is not a good thing. Only yesterday Hamas executed 7 Palestinians in broad daylight in the middle of the streets. Dozens have been killed in the last few days after Israel pulled out in fighting between Hamas and local malitias and a lot more will die

2. You wrote that Hamas has nothing to gain from attacking again. They had nothing to gain when attacking on October 7. You are treating them as if they were a rational entity. They are a terrorist organization.

3. Hamas has still not released the bodies of 24 of the hostages. Maybe because they do not know where they are. Probably because they want to use them as leverage.

tk_woods

I don't think it's negativity  - it's educated skepticism based on decades of never-ending conflict.

Yes, a ceasefire and hostage release is great. But there is a big picture here. This wasn't the first ever ceasefire and I doubt it will be the last.

But I'll acknowledge the conflicting feelings in terms of giving Trump any kind of "win". 

He's an objectively horrible person, but he did seem to have some hand in this. Granted, I'm still not certain what. But its doubtful that his intentions were altruistic. He's made tons of awful comments about leveling Palestine.

But we also have to remember Trump's first term and blunders made in regards to Israel and the middle east. 
Like moving the embassy. That was a really bad idea.

Happypappy213

The internet is the best place for morons and losers to complain about everything, what do you expect?

friendsofbigfoot

The problem is that the Israelis never fail to find another pretext to attack yet again, and wildly disproportionately at that. Netanyahu has already said the “defensive attacks” will not stop and that’s an issue since Israelis think defense and offense are the same thing, much as the US does, and so regularly attacks preemptively and horrifically. 

The Israeli government constantly lies and their citizens are bloodlusted beyond belief against Palestinians, despite having already murdered an outrageous number of them. 

This is unlikely to end, sadly, especially with a jellyfish like Trump moderating. Though I’ll give him credit for at least trying, unlike Zionist Joe who never lifted a finger.

Cthulhus-Tailor

It's not a ceasefire deal.  It is a pause-in-the genocide deal.

A tactic and pattern that the Israeli international terrorist organisation masquerading as a nation on other people's land had been using for about a hundred years.

A tactic also that the collective West has always enthusiastically supported, and which is the direct cause of Israel repeating it ever again.

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